Yea, I see what you mean. But even a few trail scars on a GC can give it some character. I've always liked the wrangler too. I like the new ones with the square hardtop(they look kinda like LR Defenders) If I was rich Id get both!

maybe its a good thing i didn't get it tho- I already have trail scars on my wrangler- I don't think I could handle myself if I did the same to a beautiful vehicle like a GC...

Sorry you didnt get the 04' GC. I have one!:P...I love it. It has the select-trac. It seems less complicated than Quadra-drive. My last 2 cars were BMW's..nothing but problems I love my Jeep better. I wanna keep it for many years.

dude land rovers suck...they r for rich people who wanna go off roadin...they suck

Land Rover wannabe!

sounds good. good luck man!

Im going in two weeks, but i bought a great 93 Wrangler 4.0L

i agree. my parents have had Explorers since they came out in 91, but when i bought my 96 Grand Cherokee when i got my license, i knew that Jeeps were much better. good luck with the '04. when are you getting your license?

IFS can be converted to solid axle... I have seen some truly wiked grands... Its a great base to start with as far as large SUVs go... Though I would say if you want something new and fairly large get a Wrangler unlimited but if you are willing to go a bit older get one of the old ZJ grands... They are all solid axles and the axles can be upgraded without much trouble (a ford 8.8 is a great upgrade for the rear... It even has the same lug pattern).

Old Nazi!!!!!!!!

as far as balance goes, I've had my full size Z71 short bed with those same two wheels off the ground before. And there's a big difference between front a rear weight distribution. I think you can get any car to do that trick.

i love th gradn cherokee. true can definately agree that the IFS isnt made for ofroad use. but it was put out to be a luxury suv butttt with an offroad capability... look at the bright side! it still can make it over the obstical.. even if it has 3 wheel its way through it.

It's true about the Grand Cherokee sales. Ford Explorer sux. try this Grand on for size. Im a die hard offroader and look into buying an 04 grand. That is, when Im old enough to get my license.

Anyone who knows offroad knows that a solid axle is better for of course articualtion. However, Jeep prolly sells more Grand Cherokees to soccer moms than true off roaders, so an ifs setup is sufficent, but im prolly preaching to the chior anyway. I'd still buy it, it'd spank any other suv that size in off road performance around its price range.... I just gotta get over back seat comfort, UNcomfortable...

i agree that ifs blows, it may be better for rail road crossings or gravel roads but straight axle is far more superior when it comes to real offroad, why do you think so many people spend a couple thousand bucks to have their '86+ toyotas converted to straight axle?... looks like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about, knightrider...

I see that someone don't know what there talking about

Actually, all that shows is how inferior IFS is. That is PITIFUL articulation.